warnoffroad wrote:You ordered form Summit? HAHA I have heard so many bad things about them.
warnoffroad wrote:I have friends that have problems with there shipping and returns.
2bunik wrote::) hey henryJ I can get most red tops for about 98 bucks on base here in mountain home. I just got mine for my stang. But if you need another battery in the future let me know and I will hook you up.. that way you can save a couple of bucks. then on the weekend I can drive it up there. since Im in boise all the time... just a thought..
a2b wrote:BTW..how does the napa dry cell compare to the optima dry cell?
Watch your alternator, or upgrade if needed. The stock alternators are not designed to charge low and long like the deep cycles require , and tend to get overheated by the prolonged charge cycle.Warnoffroad wrote:I got rid of my red top and got a yellow top yesterday. Before my volt meter said 14.5ish, now it says 16.
HenryJ wrote:Watch your alternator, or upgrade if needed. The stock alternators are not designed to charge low and long like the deep cycles require , and tend to get overheated by the prolonged charge cycle.Warnoffroad wrote:I got rid of my red top and got a yellow top yesterday. Before my volt meter said 14.5ish, now it says 16.
Red tops are designed for a quick hard charge, allowing the alternator time to cool.
Just something to keep in mind
(Deep cycles are a good idea if you need the reserve capacity to run accessories for long periods without the engine running)
a2b wrote:so are you saying that my napa dry cell is not a true dry cell? my concern would be is that i have to have a dry cell to run my rockcrawling class. i dont want to fail tech
HenryJ wrote:a2b wrote:so are you saying that my napa dry cell is not a true dry cell? my concern would be is that i have to have a dry cell to run my rockcrawling class. i dont want to fail tech
I think if you check closely it is NOT a dry cell. It is a spiral cell sealed battery. (I have seen them here)
I could be wrong, but I am not aware of a dry cell marketed by NAPA.
You can't say that I don't try to answer the posts ....eventually.f9k9 wrote:... I hope he wasn't holding his breath for that reply ...
HenryJ wrote:............................Ok, now you are going to say.."that is all nice , but what about MY question?" Well I think your battery is changed forever due to your incompetence
Optima Tips wrote:Connecting Batteries Together in Parallel
If your battery application requires more starting power or reserve capacity you can install multiple batteries together in parallel by connecting the like terminals together (positive to positive / negative to negative). Each time you add a battery in parallel you increase the CCA and Reserve Capacity, the voltage remains at 12 volts. For example, two OPTIMA® 34/78's in parallel will provide 1600 CCA and 208 minutes reserve. Three in parallel provides 2400 CCA and 312 minutes of reserve. If you have any questions about multiple battery installations, contact an appropriate automotive service center.
Suggestions for connecting batteries in parallel
* Use batteries of identical make, model, and age.
* Make sure cable gauge is sufficient to handle the higher current flow.
* Prevent cables from shorting (do not allow them to rub against the vehicle body).
* Use only high quality connectors, clean all contacts prior to installation.
* Periodically check all connections for snugness.
* If you are unsure of this procedure, contact your automotive service center.
Battery installation tips
* Ensure that the battery is properly secured in the vehicle or equipment to prevent movement or vibration wear. Do not over tighten the hold down bracket, this can damage the plastic case.
* Connect high amperage accessories such as a winch to the top terminals only. Do NOT use the side terminals.
* Replace any cables and connectors that have corrosion, rust, or other damage.
* Do not install batteries in a non-ventilated or sealed compartment.
* Do not lift or handle the batteries by the terminals.
* Do not over tighten terminal bolts, the following values are recommended:SAE automotive terminal:50-70 inch-lb.Side terminal (3/8" nut):70 inch-lb.Threaded stud terminal:120-180 inch-lb.
Optima FAQ wrote:1. What does the SPIRALCELL® design do?
The unique design of the SPIRALCELL TECHNOLOGY. provides many features not available in ordinary batteries. The following is a summary
SPIRALCELL TECHNOLOGY PROVIDES:
More plate surface, closer plate spacing, ability to use high purity lead. RESULTING IN: Low internal resistance. This low resistance gives you more power in a smaller box, ability to recharge much faster, higher, cleaner voltage characteristics during discharge
Immobilized plates (locked in place). RESULTING IN: Improved vibration resistance, no shedding of active paste material, no gradual loss of power and capacity as the battery ages. This gives you a battery that lasts longer and performs better throughout its life.
2. Does OPTIMA® ever gas?
When used with a properly regulated constant voltage charging system (such as an alternator) the OPTIMA will usually not emit hydrogen gas. However, gassing can occur when charging at higher voltage levels or in extreme high temperature conditions. In automotive applications this typically will not happen if the alternator/regulator stay below 15 volts.
3. Does the OPTIMA Deep Cycle have a "memory"?
Lead-Acid batteries do not suffer from memory effect. Many people think they have a memory because they experience a reduction in capacity or run-time as the battery ages. The active paste material in a lead-acid battery is a consumable item, similar to tread on a tire. Every time you cycle the battery some of the paste is used up. As the battery ages, less of the active paste is available to charge and discharge, resulting in a reduced operating time. This situation can be more apparent in the case where a high power or SLI battery is used in a deep cycle application. The plates of an SLI batter y are designed for high current, short duration discharges. Plates in deep cycle batteries are better suited to repetitive deep discharge applications.
4. Why the low rate of self-discharge?
Mostly this is due to the purity of the lead in the OPTIMA plates. Some of the alloys in conventional batteries are more prone to electron transfer resulting in self discharge than the what is used in the OPTIMA.
5. Why is OPTIMA not perishable like other batteries?
Why is OPTIMA not perishable like other batteries?
(See Question 4.)
6. Can you trickle charge an OPTIMA? Solar card charger?
Yes, you can use any charger on an OPTIMA as long as the voltage is regulated properly. If your charger will remain on indefinitely the voltage should be at 13.8 volts maximum with a one amp maximum current.
7. Will my high-output alternator damage the OPTIMA?
No, as long as the voltage is properly regulated. Because the OPTIMA has a very low internal resistance it will accept high current more efficiently than conventional batteries.
8. Will it discharge the battery if leave it sitting on concrete?
No, today's batteries utilized polypropylene plastic for the case material. They will not be effected. When possible, always store a battery in a cool dry location.
9. Can I hook an OPTIMA up in parallel with my other battery?
No, when hooking batteries together in parallel they should be of identical make, model, and of similar age.
10. Can I use an isolator with an OPTIMA?
Yes, most any type of battery separator or solenoid can be used with an OPTIMA. The important thing to remember is that the charging voltage must be within the limits suggested by OPTIMA Batteries. If you are using an OPTIMA and a conventional battery, your system must charge each battery independently. Remember, some isolators cause a voltage drop, make sure your charging voltage AT THE BATTERY is sufficient. Continued undercharging of a battery will lead to premature failure and a drop in capacity.
11. Why does the OPTIMA last longer?
The main reasons the OPTIMA battery has a longer life are:
No shedding of active paste material. The SPIRALCELL design immobilizes the plates preventing the active past from working loose, which can cause plate to plate shorting
High purity lead-tin grid. Grid material in OPTIMA batteries is more resistant to grid degradation. A type of internal corrosion that affects the plates inside a battery as it ages
Sealed design prevents loss of water which can lead to plate dry out and failure.
12. What is the difference between your deep cycle and starter battery?
The OPTIMA deep cycle battery utilizes a different chemistry for the active paste material on the plates, and a slightly stronger acid. This chemistry changes allows for a much longer life in cycling applications, with only a slight reduction in power.
13. What does deep cycle mean?
Deep cycle means using the battery in an application that will typically discharge 60% to 70% or more of the batter y capacity. An automotive battery is an SLI (starting, lighting, ignition) battery. It's plates are designed to deliver maximum power for a short duration. Starting a car typically discharges an SLI battery only 1% to 3%. When an SLI battery is used in a deep cycle application, or in a vehicle with heavy accessory loads, the battery life will be shortened proportionally to how deeply it is cycled on a regular basis.
14. When should I consider a deep cycle?
Any time you need the battery to supply all the operating power for a vehicle or other device. Additionally, deep cycle batteries should be used in vehicles that have heavy accessory loads where the alternator cannot maintain the battery in a fully charged condition.
15. What is a Gel Cell Battery?
A gel battery design is typically a modification of the standard lead acid automotive or marine battery. A gelling agent is added to the electrolyte to reduce movement inside the battery case. Many gel batteries also use one way valves in place of open vents, this helps the normal internal gasses to recombine back into water in the battery, reducing gassing.
16. How does a Gel Cell compare to your deep cycle?
Most gel batteries have a much higher internal resistance, meaning they will not be able to deliver and receive current as efficiently. This is especially apparent at higher amperage levels. For example, most gel batteries will not work successfully in engine starting applications.
17. When should I use a Deep Cycle OPTIMA as a Starting battery?
"Deep Cycle" batteries are designed for applications that require deep, repetitive amperage drain, like trolling motors, golf carts, and electric wheelchairs, or RV house power sources. However, there are other applications, called "Heavy Cycling" or "High Cycling", when a Deep Cycle OPTIMA can successfully replace a starting battery to provide longer life and better performance.
In heavy cycling or high cycling applications, a vehicle will pull unusually high amperage levels from the starting battery due to extra accessories or limited alternator capacity. Public safety professionals, such as police, fire, and ambulance fleet managers often find that traditional starting batteries cannot provide adequate life and performance due to heavy cycling. This is an excellent opportunity to provide your customer with longer life and better performance by using an OPTIMA Deep Cycle battery in this type of application.
In any vehicle or equipment that will use the battery only for Starting, Lighting, & Ignition requirements and has a properly working alternator, the OPTIMA Red Top Starting Battery will perform extremely well, often providing up to two to three times longer life than conventional batteries. If the vehicle has few or no after-market accessories and uses a stock or upgraded alternator, the OPTIMA Red Top Starting Battery is the appropriate choice.
Remember, it is possible for the customer to have a completely discharged Yellow Top OPTIMA that will not start their engine; the advantages of the Yellow Top are that it can accept a rapid recharge and it will recover from discharge many more times.
To provide the customer the best OPTIMA solution, it is, necessary to consider both the application and the charging system before recommending the correct OPTIMA. For example, if your customer has a Ford Expedition with an after-market alarm system, which OPTIMA would you recommend? If the customer drives the car every day, the Red Top would be the correct choice, since the amperage drain will be nominal and the battery would be recharged on a daily basis. However, if the customer stores the vehicle for a long period of time with the alarm system engaged, you should recommend the OPTIMA Yellow Top, since the amperage drain over several weeks would damage a Red Top and reduce its life.
Can you say...Christine?WVHogRider wrote:The truck had ESP....It wanted the YELLOW!!!!!
Maybe I can help you understand.f9k9 wrote:...I am still unable to comprehend where the yellow top (in Optima's words "starter/deep cycle") battery is a poor choice compared to the red top in normal vehicle applications. By stating that the red top is the "appropriate choice" for normal applications, I interprete Optima to be telling their dealers that it is the most cost effective battery to sell their customers...
04crewvt wrote:Maybe it just wanted the colors to match.
Check the voltage. 12 volts in an Optima is a bad cell. It should have no less than 12.8 volts with a good charge.MARBLEYARD wrote:My optima just died for the second time in ONE year. I was listening to my radio both times and after about thirty minutes, dead. No amps running just my sirius receiver and deck. Jumping worked the first time, the second time I wasn't so lucky. I had to take it to Auto Zone to be recharged (where I bought it).
killian96ss wrote:... the Deka batteries look just like a normal battery except they are sealed.
HenryJ wrote:The Deka and Odyssey batteries are plate design AGM tight pack. So, no they are not "just normal batteries" they are AGM.
HenryJ wrote:Actually neither are dry cell in the 34/78 dual terminal batteries offered. They are both Absorbed Glass Mat "starved electrolyte" just like the spiral cell batteries, only those two are plate design.
I was at first too. All their batteries with the exception of the one that fits ours are shown as "Rugged Drycell sealed design"killian96ss wrote:I'm a little confused now because according to Odyssey's web site all of their batteries are "drycell sealed technology" AGM batteries.
AGM is a liquid or gel across a fiberglass mat. It is a starved electrolyte battery. The liquid is kept in contact with the plates through the capillary action of the fiber media.killian96ss wrote:Are "AGM" batteries made in wet and dry versions?
I am probably wrong on this issue but, wouldn't the driver's side engine mount "fail" first leaving the passenger side affected very little?HenryJ wrote:................ Mine fit , but I worried about cable failure should I tear a motor mount.......
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