ApproachMedium wrote:So the AGM diehard platium would probably be my best bet then? I have alot of demand on my batteries between leaving accessories on for long periods of time and working for the railroad I need the car to be able to start any time of the day in any temp without giving me any trouble.
This is a year old and they seem to be bought and sold pretty rapidly.Galt wrote:January 16, 2010
Car Battery Reviews and Buying Guide:
The majority of car batteries are created by 3 manufacturers - JCI, East Penn, Exide and Johnson Controls Industries (they bought out Delphi). Delphi makes some EverStart models sold in Walmart and ACDelco. Johnson Control Industries makes Duralast seen in Autozone stores, Diehard - sold in Sears, Kirkland - the Costco brand, Motorcraft - which Ford sells, some of the EverStarts, and Interstate. Exide makes Exide batteries, Champion, Napa and even a % of the EverStart batteries.
Hit that link again and it's $234.99, Ouch 2Xs! I just killed a 13 month old red top during a winch fest back in June. Warranty was worthless with all the papers and a connection at Advance Auto. Picked up a P-2 Diehard Platinum for $215 Tuesday. It's gonna have to last and I will hold them to theHenryJ wrote:Looks like the Diehard Platinum took a price hike: DieHard Automotive Battery, Platinum P-3 - Group Size 75/86DT (with exchange) $209.99
4-Year Free Replacement; 100-Month Prorated Limited Warranty
I'm not either. I believe all the stories of their past performance but, something happened to them 5-6 yrs ago. The CC is on it's third one. A red top died in under a year, a yellow top died in under two and now it's on a red top. I found the Diehard platinum online 3 weeks ago for $199, during a free shipping special. I couldn't get the "free shipping" aspect to apply online and spent almost an hour on the phone with them to find out why. Long story short, they didn't know why they couldn't ship and apologized. No Sears close by me so, I sucked it up. I then remembered that I drive by one every 3 weeks taking the boss to the doctor. I went back online to buy it with "in store pick up" and saw the $35 increase.HenryJ wrote:.....I still have people trying to convince me that the Optima are good. I'm not a believer anymore.
AmenF9K9 wrote:...That's why forums are so beneficial. I already knew that it would fit in my heep and that it gained me 150 CCAs over what they recommend.
killian96ss wrote:I still have 3 Optimal red tops going strong with no failures to report. All 3 are model # 9004-003 which are the big red tops. The one in my SS is over 13 years old and still works as good as new. The other two are 4 and 2 years old and working just fine.
HenryJ wrote:I too ran the gammut of the new Optimas. I was a diehard Optima believer and I still have three well over a decade old. Something happened. The new Optimas just don't have "it". I was told the Denver facility was not up to the standard and the new facility would solve those problems.
When Johnson Control bought them, I ran into a whole batch of re-labeled old stock. Batteries over five years old being sold as new. I only found this out when I had a dated receipt for a battery less than two years old. The battery was sent to Optima for examination. It had a swelled cell. I was told the battery was over ten years old and past its service life. No further examination was done.
I was given a new YellowTop for testing. This one manufactured in the 2006 newly built mexico plant. I put it in my "worst case truck". It too ran into the same old game. It would no longer fully charge. 12.6 volts was about the best it would do. Eventually I had to deal with a periodic no start and need for a charger to replenish it.
I let it go with that truck and never looked back.
This has been happening for quite a while, and I know that I'm not alone. My experiences were with mostly Redtops. I did have problems with one BlueTop and the above mentioned YellowTop.
Optima Leaves Me Stranded
The local dealers are no longer stocking Optima. One dealer said that there have been just too many returns. He too was a believer, but no longer.
The warranty on the Optima has changed too. Their warranty used to be unmatched. That is no longer the case. They have a 36 month warranty.
I have gone to the Diehard Platinum batteries for my AGM battery needs. They now have the best warranty. Free Replacement 48 months and Pro Rated Replacement to 100 months.
I am still happy that I have three very old Optima batteries still serving my needs. When they go, I'll likely replace them with Diehard Platinum, unless things change there too.
HenryJ wrote:Very good to know that the Optima Rep. here was lying to me and gave another "bogus" battery. Funny that he was very careful to point out the label and differences when he presented me with the new battery? It does explain quite a bit in that there was no difference in performance and had similar faults matching the others.OptimaJim wrote:...In reference to HenryJ's comment about testing a YellowTop manufactured in our Monterrey facility in 2006, he wanted me to point out that ground may not have even been broken on that facility in 2006 and it certainly wasn't producing batteries at that point. ...
I will be sure to print this information and give it to him next time around.
For the record, when did the Mexico plant begin producing batteries?
EDIT- Did a little searching for more information:Answers.com wrote:...Of all of the company's diversified operations, its battery unit was the least profitable, partly because prices for batteries had not increased in a decade, and partly because the unit's unionized plants had to compete with nonunion plants of other companies. In mid-1991 Johnson Controls attempted to sell the battery division but could not find a buyer. The unit was further battered when it lost its contract to supply DieHard batteries to Sears in late 1994. Since that time contracts were signed or renewed with such retailers as AutoZone and Wal-Mart, and the company also supplied the largest battery distributor in the nation, Interstate Battery System of America. In October 1997 a contract was signed to supply Sears with DieHard Gold batteries, the top of that product line. The battery unit also began to target overseas markets more aggressively, opening a plant in Mexico in 1994, forming a joint venture in China in 1996 to make batteries for Volkswagen, and creating another joint venture in 1997 with Varta Battery AG of Germany to make batteries in South America.
...in late 2000 Johnson acquired Gylling Optima Batteries AB, a Swedish maker of high-performance, leak-resistant lead-acid batteries marketed under the Optima brand name...
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/johnson-controls-inc#ixzz1jIdRel3hR McGraw, Dec. 2008 wrote:Its official now. I have worked at Optima Batteries for 11 years. In 2000, Johnson controls bought Optima and immediatly began construction of a plant in Mexico. We were told that our U.S. plant could not produce enough product so the plant in mexico would be to supply Europe. Slowly but surely, our product lines began being transferred to mexico. Then the week before Thanksgiving, we were told that the U.S. plant will be closed Jan.24 2009.
While it may not have been producing batteries for the US market at that time, it seems reasonable that I could have received a battery from the Mexico plant in 2006? Maybe the JC/Optima rep. was not feeding me BS?
JCI makes the Diehard flooded cell batteries. The Diehard Platinum line may be new to you. I know it was to me. The Diehard Platinum batteries, to the best of my research, are made by Enersys. Keep an open mind about those , unless those are what let you down too many times?roadrunner wrote:I used to run diehard but they let me down too many times. Have had very little trouble with wallyworld batteries but it should be noted I always buy the biggest that will fit with the longest warranty they have. Never ran optimas and from what I see here I didn't miss much. Years ago Motorcraft had a really good battery but over time they cheaped em up and were no longer dependable. Ditto NAPA and Delco in my experience.
HenryJ wrote:I totally agree. I have heard the Interstate battery tale first hand here and the story is the same. We joke about them being the only battery that leaks worse than a Les Schwab battery The old mechanic here had a brother that sold Interstate. We went through LOTS of batteries! It took a new mechanic to finally start buying decent batteries that last more than one year.
I don't blame you for sticking with the Everstart Maxx. Currently it is the best flooded cell battery out there, IMO. I need AGM batteries and the Sears Diehard Platinum is the best that I have found at this point. Hope things stay that way
Yes. Both are now made by JCI , Johnson control.ApproachMedium wrote:Hummm doesnt interstate have something to do with Optima now? Why do I recall this being on the label of one of my two new optimas that I purchased last year?
You are wrong!rlrnr53 wrote:... Sometimes it pays to cultivate a good relationship with the people at your local store...
Our off road club , the Kentucky Krawlers had our annual NEW YEARS DAY "HANGOVER RIDE" last Tuesday. We were doing a 2-3 hour ride in a "semi closed" area as a "farewell ride" to what many considered, to be the best wheeling area, east of the Mississippi. The 2-3 hr ride turned into a 9 hour winchfest. Several members, did not have "lockers" or winches. The recent rains had turned the area into a situation, that none of us had expected. To make a long story short, I had to winch myself up an obstacle in the past. It was a very short recovery and I foolishly shut my engine off shortly after I made the self recovery. The 1 year old RED TOP was dead when, I tried a restart. We were in rocks and no one could turn around to jump me. I had to pull the battery out of the closest rig and walk back to restart.HenryJ wrote:Another good news story for the Diehard Platinum..............................................
I ran a Yellow Top for a couple of years. It survived Moab with, Brule. It was a little better but, not by much. My last Red Top laid down on my wife while, she was in Houston for radiation treatments and I was at home in KY. Normally, I am not big on triple A (AAA) but, they jumped her 2Xs and have towed her once this year. I told her to get to the nearest Sears auto center and get a Platinum and for her not to worry about the costs. I am sure that the non sale priced battery gave her a bit of sticker shock but, she never said a word about it. While she was a little hesitant about driving the CC before, the battery replacement, she fully trusts the CC now.ApproachMedium wrote:Honestly for using stuff like wenches etc I don't think a red top is really suitable. The yellow top for deep cycling is probably better.............
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