Sherlock Holmes would have this all figured out quite some time ago. All the clues have been out there:
HenryJ wrote:Get your finances in order and save up some money, but I may be pushing for you to go a slightly different direction.
This may take a little while before I have the solution all put together, but if it works out there may be a cost effective alternative offering some benefits that SL, TM and BDS can not offer.
HenryJ wrote:What kind of cost are we looking at for the three available lifts?
Lift with shocks- $1700
That is $2260 plus installation.
So far I estimate the complete package running under $1600 with signifigantly lower installation costs added. I could even see a "budget" package running right at $1000 delivered and with some direction, installed yourself. Add $100 to that for a professional alignment and the mount/balance of the tires. This has you ready to go at 1/2 to 1/3 the cost.
So far the benifits far outweigh the differences.
HenryJ wrote:...I would hope things could be ironed out by Christmas...
HenryJ wrote:It would retain the use of the stock wheels, but yes, everything needed to drive away. Tires and shocks are definitely in the estimates.Rusty wrote:Do you mean the "complete package", including wheels and tires for under $1600?
I hate seeing a kit price and never having a real good idea what the whole "turn key" product will cost.
I won't string you along. If things don't look good in the next 30 days I'll let you know.
HenryJ wrote:Don't let your minds get this blown out of proportion.
HenryJ wrote:I am looking at the components carefully, and making changes that are geared to the daily driven weekend getaway vehicle. Maximizing the lift for dollar spent and ease of installation are priorities... what I hope to be one of the components, will be shipped Monday... I need to try one before I will be able to test the other ...This has been in progress since April... This should offer up to 3" additional ground clearance and a total height increase around 5"...
HenryJ wrote:... I'd do exactly what I did to mine ...T-bar crank...Alignment...Shocks...Body lift...Tires...Rear spacers...Add-a-leaf...
HenryJ wrote:Shocks are the first and best thing that you can do.
HenryJ wrote:Tribecrist wrote:Received my Boise SpringWorks kit on Wednesday...
You're headed the right direction and have one of the components out of the way
HenryJ wrote:I moved the 1.25" spacers to the front, and installed 2" spacers on the rear to widen the whole stance.
HenryJ wrote:I removed my flares in preparation for ....
HenryJ wrote:New page added to the modifications page Skidz Cut-out Flares.
This may be a bit premature as I was not quite ready to reveal some of my plans...
HenryJ wrote:A body lift is a lift , right? Spring lift is a lift, right? Adding larger tires, is that a lift?
HenryJ wrote:I am wanting to gather some data on balljoint failures...I want to see if tire size really plays any part in this.
HenryJ wrote:...BFG AT's were the "choice" early in this forum's history...It is funny how trends ebb and flow
HenryJ wrote:I just placed an order with them this morning. They were $30 cheaper than Summit , once you added oversized shipping charges.
HenryJ wrote:Shhhh.... I think you're on the right trackborder man wrote:33's maybe?
Here is what you need:
Performance Accessories PA192 2" body lift $209 Summit
Bilstein heavy duty shock absorbers $240 ORW
Torsion Bar adjustment and subsequent alignment $50
Boise SpringWorks Kit $190 Boise SpringWorks
Front 1.25" and rear 3" spacers $170 Ebay- Completevalue
Front replacement bump stops - GM PART # 15712438 $23 (new). These are off of the rear of late '90s and early 2000 Chevrolet fullsize pickups and can be purchased used for under $5
Skidz Cut-out Flares $375 (no longer available, however the cuts can still be made and paint or liner applied)
BFGoodrich All Terrain T/A KO 33x9.50-15 tires $560 4Wheelparts or Summit
Mount and balance $50
GRAND TOTAL = $1697
This does not include reprogramming the PCM for the change in tire size. This can be done at a dealership for a minimum service charge. Or invest in a programmer to do it yourself. Prices will vary from just under $20 at a dealer up to $300 for a programmer. Picking up a used HPPIII would be a good choice.
Looking through the list of components you can see that there would be some options for reducing cost. Less expensive shocks, Shackles instead of leafs, a good buy on the flares via ebay or just making the cuts and going without flares, etc. Heck you already may have invested in many of the components already , or choose to get them over time.
I could see putting together a low end kit for about $1100.
This offers a lower center of gravity than a suspension lift, 12.5 inches of clearance at the front skid plate and 10 inches clearance at the rear differential. The mid point break over height measures 12.5 inches. This may be lower than those with the torsion bar relocators, and comparable to those without.
These tires weigh less than many of the smaller diameter 31" tires. This will help acceleration. With the narrower tread rolling resistance should be less, hopefully resulting in a nice mileage increase. Airing down for offroad the narrower tire has obvious advantages.
There are some disadvantages-
Gearing. The 3.73's will probably be tolerable, and some are getting by with 3.42's, but it may become necessary to go to 4.10's for those who need the power. I'll know more about this in time.
BFGoodrich is the only 33x9.50-15 tire available. No other choices.
Am I going to have balljoint and wheel bearing problems? I really can't say for sure. The narrower lighter tire does reduce some of the stresses, however the increase in diameter offers more leverage. Time will tell.
Did anyone figure it all out?
I hope you all don't feel cheated. It was not my intention, and I did say that this was another alternative. I think it is a great way to gain ground clearance. Am I going to have balljoint and wheel bearing problems? I really can't say for sure.
I haven't put any miles on them yet. I did put it in a bind to check clearances and everything looks good after trimming the front air dam. It may rub the frame a little at full lock, but everything else clears just fine now. The 33's really do fill the wheel well when "stuffed"
I have plans for a trip to the John Day Fossil Beds on the weekend after Labor Day. That should be enough to form an opinion on the value of this change.
Right now I am happy, the tires "fit" the truck. Not too big, not too small