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ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby paintballrocker » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:10 pm

Hey guys heres the write up I promised. I did this master cylinder swap n ABS delete because of my solid axle swap. Im not going to go into detail on my swap, if you want to know more you can read my build thread. Anyways its a pretty straight forward swap. Now you could do this delete and keep the stock master if you still have your IFS, but i went with a '80 chevy 3/4 ton master for more stopping power with my bigger tires. Our stock masters have around a 1" bore, and the 3/4 ton has a 1.25" bore, which means more stopping power. Anyways this is how i did it.

Stock master vs the new 3/4 ton master

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp15 ... /001-1.jpg

Useful advice:
All our stock hardlines are 1/4"
All stock line nuts are 9/16"
Stock hardlines from the frame rails up to the ABS module can be reused, you just have to cut off the 9/16" nuts and flare on 7/16" nuts.
The front resovior on the new master is for the back, the rear resovior is for the front.


Required Tools:
Tube cutter
Flare tool/kit
Tube bender
Line wrenches
Hand tools

Required Parts:
Master cylinder from an 80 3/4 ton - Cardone #10-1534
7/16-24 x 9/16-18 Brake fitting adapter - Napa #641-3309
7/16-24 x 1/2-20 Brake fitting adapter - Napa #641-3304
Adjustable Proportioning valve, I used a Jegs one - #555-63022
7/16" tube nuts - #BLF-16C-5
1/4" tee fitting - Dorman # 499-070.1 or 343522
A few pieces of 1/4" steel brake line to make up the connections.

First pull off your intake from the filter to the throttle body, pull the air box from behind the head light, dicso the 5 hard lines from the ABS module, pull the 3 electrical connections form the ABS module, and then finally remove the ABS module and attaching bracket from the left inner fender.

Then disco the 2 flexible lines from the master cylinder, then unplug the electrical connections from the stock master cylinder, then remove the 2 bolts holding the master on the brake booster. Now the master can come out. try not to spill too much fluid as itll leak from the master.

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp15 ... /004-1.jpg

Now with the master, ABS module, intake, and air box out of the way you can see the line clamp on top of the left shock tower, the L/R line connections at the frame rail, and the rear connection at the frame rail. I disco'd all 3 brake lines at the frame rail, pulled them out of the truck and cut.flared/bent as need to put on the 7/16th tube nuts. After that i loosely installed them back in the truck, that way i can move them as need. just remember to tighten them up before you bleed it at the end.

Now you can bench bleed the new master if you are swapping them, or reinstall the stock master. I choose to swap them

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp15 ... /005-1.jpg

Now with the brake lines in the truck use the brake Tee fitting to tie the two front brake lines into one connection. Now youll have the rear line, and the two front lines tied to one line.connection.

Now your ready to figure out how your going to route the lines from the master to the proportiong valve, and the brake tee fitting.

NOTE: The adapters Napa #641-3309 & Napa #641-3304 go on the master, the brake tee fitting is 7/16", and the proportioning valve comes with the needed adapters for 7/16".

This is how i ended up doing it;

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp15 ... /006-1.jpg

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp15 ... /008-2.jpg

So once you run the connecting lines from the master to the proportioning valve/tee fitting your ready to bleed and check for leaks. Then finally after its bled and you have good pedal, you have to go to a open parking lot and brake hard to see how your brakes react, adjust the proportioning valve accordingly to were the rear locks up at the same time or slightly after the front brakes do.

After that my pedal is much firmer but it isnt excessively hard, and my truck stops really good! Hope this write up helps answer some questions! Feel free to ask me questions.
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby HenryJ » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:16 pm

Well done! Bravo :clap:

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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby paintballrocker » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:27 pm

Thanks brule! did it in one day, next weekend im going to start the skidz flares, thanks to you sending those cut out templates!
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby mars2878 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:03 am

looks good
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby Jongo88 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:29 am

What about the ABS light??
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby Serge PETIT » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:57 am

Very interesting write-up ! Thanks . :cheers:
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby AVTekk » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:25 am

Looks good, well done.
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby paintballrocker » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:18 pm

Jongo88 wrote:What about the ABS light??


I havent messed with that yet. read somewhere pulling the fuse for abs on the driver side dash fuse box fixes it. if not im going to pull the dash circuit board off and jump the positive side of the abs led to the check gauses light. that way everything lights up as normal on start up but then it goes away. ill report back with what i didi to fix the light
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby F9K9 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:43 pm

HenryJ wrote:Well done! Bravo :clap:


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Where did you come up with the idea of using the '80 3/4 ton MC?
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby Jongo88 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:58 pm

paintballrocker wrote:
Jongo88 wrote:What about the ABS light??


I havent messed with that yet. read somewhere pulling the fuse for abs on the driver side dash fuse box fixes it. if not im going to pull the dash circuit board off and jump the positive side of the abs led to the check gauses light. that way everything lights up as normal on start up but then it goes away. ill report back with what i didi to fix the light

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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby Rinkrat456 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:24 pm

F9K9 wrote:Where did you come up with the idea of using the '80 3/4 ton MC?

I'm wondering this too.

All things the same, a 1.25" bore MC actually DECREASED your line pressure to your calipers compared to the 1.00" stock bore. The main reason the 3/4 ton has the larger 1.25" bore is due to the volume requirements of the larger calipers and/or drums. If you wanted more line pressure, a 0.785" or 0.750" bore MC would have been the best choice in my opinion, but you'd have the trade off of a spongy pedal with more pedal travel.

If you wish to keep your firm, short throw pedal while increasing your line pressure, look into hydroboost. I can help with your parts selection if you'd like. My '96 has massive braking power nowadays.
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby paintballrocker » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:22 am

wow i did not know that. i just assumed the bigger bore would make for more pressure. oh well, trial n error with solid axle swaps haha. yea man id love to hear about a hyroboost set up! im running a D30 & 33's right now. but once me n the truck get back in the ole USA i have plans for either 1/2ton or 3/4ton axles, v8, and 37's. the main reason for the master upgrade was a prep thing for the bigger axles/tires in the future. But since you have a setup like im hoping to run eventually id like to hear about your brake setup.
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby Rinkrat456 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:55 pm

You can just buy my truck. :thumb: Since I'm running an LS-engine with hydroboost it was actually VERY easy to find the parts at your local auto store. The 4.3L and LS-engine power steering pumps are in similar locations, you may be able to use the same setup actually.

Starting at the pump, I have a ported power steering pump from a hydroboost 6.0L truck. It's the most powerful pump I've found available for under $50 bucks. Its rated at 1.7GPM at 400rpm and 3.6GPM at 1600rpm and is rated for 1550psi before the valve limits the pressure. I ported and shimmed the valve for more flow and higher pressure, and bolted on a smaller pulley to spin the pump a few % faster at idle.

My hydroboost unit is from a Chev Astro/GMC Safari van. I don't recall the exact year, but there are two different models of Astro/Safari hydroboost units and mine is the older style that comes out straight from the firewall instead of angled down like the newer style. The hydroboost unit runs off the power steering pump and multiplies your braking input from the brake pedal more than what a vacuum booster is capable of. Since the hydroboost unit adds so much pressure, I was able to decrease the line pressure a little bit and use a larger bore MC to give me back my firm short-throw brake pedal. It's like having my cake and eating it too. I got mine from an '87 3/4 ton Suburban diesel, and it's 1-1/8" bore. Any 1-1/8" large reservoir MC would have worked and if I ever have issues with my current MC, I'm swapping in a 1-1/8 from a newer full size truck (larger reservoir).

After installing a large p/s cooler, the whole system works together with the steering gear box. Speaking of gear box, I swapped my puny '96 2wd Sonoma steering box out from a '98 Dodge 1 ton diesel. This box only fits a 2wd, but I got lucky because the Dodge pitman arm has 4" of drop and has a 7" throw...which is the longest, strongest factory pitman arm I've been able to find. It's such a strong box for turning tall tires (or a heavy truck) that I had to reinforce the frame.

The best part of this is all the power steering lines are available at most auto parts stores. The lines are from an LS-engine hydroboost truck (think Yukon XL 6.0L, LTZ or Z71 Tahoe 5.3L, 2500HD 6.0L, 3500HD 6.0L...ect). There are two high pressure lines and two low pressure lines. All can be found at the parts store pre-made, and might just require a slight tweaking of the hard line to get it to fit perfectly.

For you, the downside to using an XJ Dana 30 is the small brakes; otherwise I think it's a great little axle. My wife's XJ had a 4.5" lift, 35's, Dana 30 front and a drum brake 8.25" rear end and those brakes sucked! You're basically running the same setup in terms of braking power, so if you're planning on keeping your axles hydroboost is the only way to go in my opinion. 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton axles would allow you to increase your brake size dramatically. You're almost guaranteed 12" front rotors and disc brake conversions usually spec 12" rear rotors as well, so all you'd need are good calipers and sticky pads. My F250 front axle has 12" front rotors and dual piston front calipers with Hawk racing HD truck pads. The rear Dana 60 came with drums originally but I swapped those for 12.5" Chevy rotors and huge single piston calipers, also with Hawk racing HD truck pads. My truck stops better now than it did from the factory with stock tires and axle (originally was 2wd). :mrgreen:
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby F9K9 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:04 pm

Rinkrat456 wrote:You can just buy my truck. :thumb: Since I'm running an LS-engine with hydroboost it was actually VERY easy to find the parts at your local auto store. The 4.3L and LS-engine power steering pumps are in similar locations, you may be able to use the same setup actually....................
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby Rinkrat456 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:40 pm

I've looked for a place to add a profile description but haven't found it yet. Or does everyone around here just use the "interests" section under "job description"?
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby HenryJ » Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:47 am

He is referring to your personal profile information. User Control Panel

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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby Rinkrat456 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:36 pm

HenryJ wrote:He is referring to your personal profile information. User Control Panel


I've updated that as far as it can realistically go...for a full mods list you can visit this I guess.

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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby HenryJ » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:21 pm

Rinkrat456 wrote:I've updated that as far as it can realistically go..
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Re: ABS Delete/MC Swap How To

Postby paintballrocker » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:58 am

Rinkrat456 wrote:You can just buy my truck. :thumb:


what is the fun in buying a rig already built? haha

but seriously, thanks for all the info. Im going to have to look into it alot more. I might end up doing the mod before I swap axles.
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